9/11 Tarpley vs Kay Debate
May 2, Tarpley on Coast2CoastAM: Pearl Harbor Conspiracy
A few highlights from the Cspan debate
Watch it here: Link to show.
Tarpley noted that conspiracies aren't needed under dictatorship or mob rule, but that they flourish under oligarchy.
Kay bases his arguments on the assumption that real conspiracies are small and large ones are fanciful. Conspiracy theorists keep expanding the scope of the conspiracy to explain away "new evidence" in the form of reports from e.g. the 9/11 Commission, NIST or the media. But these are not new facts, they are only reiterations of the appeal to authority fallacy.
Tarpley pointed out that the increased distrust of authority is due to the failure to give people the goods in terms of a better standard of living.
In his presentation he gave facts about drills on 9/11 and pointed out that the Founding Fathers and A. Lincoln were firm believers in a conspiracy against freedoms of the people.
Kay takes examples where conspiracies came to light as proof that our free, open society is fool-proof against conspiracies, so that 9/11 couldn’t have succeeded as an inside job. His examples are the 1933 plot against Roosevelt and Operation Northwoods. Tarpley calls him on this, pointing out that the news of the 1933 plot was suppressed by the media, that the plotters got off scot-free, and that the plot against FDR continued. As for Northwoods, it was essentially implemented in the form of the Tonkin Gulf hoax. Moreover, the instigator of Northwoods, Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer, became the chief of NATO where he installed Gladio units to carry out false-flag operations.
Someone from the audience refuted Kay’s allegation that conspiracy theories are disproved by history, pointing out how belief in a conspiracy around the JFK assassination has grown from a small minority to a huge majority.
Kay repeats the old argument that someone somewhere would blow the whistle. Tarpley replied that they would risk their lives or their livelihoods by breaking their vow of silence. Kay betrays a complete lack of understanding of social structures such as exist in the intelligence community, special forces and organized crime. The perpetrators or moles are not going to talk. That goes for the patsies, too, who as Tarpley pointed out, often can’t talk because they are liquidated. As for the media, Kay assumes we have never heard of Operation Mockingbird.
Kay made a point that the internet has allowed people to find “factoids” to support their point of view, whatever it may be. In other words, that opinion drives people’s perception of reality.
When asked what aspect of the inside job argument he felt was strongest, he spoke of his background in metallurgy and his interest in the studies on the building collapses. He said the best propaganda point for 911 truth was the video of WTC 7 collapsing, but that this clip shows the side of the building that was undamaged. Of course he didn’t explain how a steel building is supposed to burn down, apparently due to his own herd-instinct subjectivity overruling his metalurgy.
Kay had the last word in an appeal for investigative journalism rather than just connecting the dots. He mentioned cases like the NYT publishing the Pentagon papers.
I suppose Kay would consider it an outlandish conspiracy theory if one were to point out that this is an efficient way for an oligarchy to rule. Keep up the façade of a free open society by allowing diversity of views, while suppressing only the really dangerous facts that would threaten Wall Street rule. Moreover this very fiction of a free society helps the empire expand by harnessing young fools abroad to join color revolutions to overthrow their national governments, which are then replaced by kleptocrat klients of Wall Street.
The April debate between Tarpley and Kay was aired on television on the Cspan BookTV program on 4/28/11. The show is archived at www.c-spanvideo.org/program/305586-1 . It may be viewed there at any time. One may also purchase a high-resolution version on DVD for $30, or download for http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/305586-1 ">$0.99 .
Webster Griffin Tarpley Debates Jonathan Kay at International Spy Museum in Washington DC, April 2nd, 2011, 6:30pm to 8:30pm, 800 F ST NW, Washington DC, 20004. Tel. 202-EYE-SPYU, Tickets $15.
"The truth may be out there, but when does the search for it turn into a wild goose chase? Canadian journalist and Visiting Fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Jonathan Kay, set out to answer that question with his profile of the 9/11 Truth Movement in his acclaimed book, Among the Truthers: A Journey Through America's Growing Conspiracist Underground. One of the most fascinating people that Kay interviewed is Webster Tarpley. Dr. Tarpley, who has addressed ideas and issues from Venetian history to economic recovery from the current world depression, is the author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA. He has developed his theories about international governmental involvement in assassinations and the engineering of the 9/11 attacks by rogue actors from the military and intelligence community over many years, beginning with his investigation of the Aldo Moro murder in Italy in the 1980s. Columnist and commentator, David Frum, founder of the FrumForum.com, will moderate this lively Kay-Tarpley discussion about 9/11, nefarious plots, and other conspiracy theories.
Debate on "9/11, False Flags, and Black Ops" with Jonathan Kay and Webster Tarpley
Jonathan Kay; Webster Tarpley
About the Program
From the Spy Museum in Washington, DC, a debate on the truth behind the 9/11 attacks. The participants in the debate are: Jonathan Kay, author of "Among the Truthers: A Journey Through America's Growing Conspiracist Underground," and Webster Tarpley, self-described 9/11 Truth Scholar and one of the people featured in Mr. Kay's book. Mr. Tarpley 's take on the September 2001 attacks appears in his book "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA." The debate is moderated by Newsweek/Daily Beast contributing editor, David Frum. Mr. Frum served as special assistant to President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2002.
About the Authors
Jonathan Kay is managing editor, columnist, and blogger at Canada's National Post newspaper and a visiting fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington, DC. He is the co-author of "The Volunteer."
Webster Tarpley is the author of "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography" and "Obama: The Postmodern Coup." You can find out more about Mr. Tarpley and his work at: tarpley.net.